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Going Part Of The Way [Jan. 16th, 2007|07:23 pm]
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[moiraangela]
Oh wow, why are all the Pan LJ communities so DEAD? Was there a wave of subscribers after the awful 2003 movie that have all just dried up or something? *sigh* There's no discussion. Like, I don't know, what are people's favourite quotes from the book, or something?
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[User Picture]From: broadwaypoetez
2007-01-16 12:50 pm (UTC)
Okay, didn't bring my book to school with me, but the line about Tiger Lily avoiding marriage with her hatchet made me grin and the huge description of the piratees. Arrr matey!
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From: moiraangela
2007-01-16 03:26 pm (UTC)
"She is the most beautiful of dusky Diana's, and the belle of the Piccaninnies, coquettish, cold and amorous by turns; there is not a brave who would not have the wayward thing to wife, but she staves off the alter with a hatchet."

One of my favourite Heroines when I was young. It's a pity that she didn't feature more in the story.
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[User Picture]From: broadwaypoetez
2007-01-16 08:00 pm (UTC)
I just wish I read Peter Pan when I was a little younger. I hated her in the Disney film, but I saw the musical when I was around ten and liked Tiger Lily's character. The book killed me! She boarded the pirate ship in the middle of the night, armed with a knife-- you wouldn't see Snow White doing that!

I cried a little when I realized what happened at the end of the massacre. I just kept staring at the book, waiting for a sentence to clarify anything until I thought about the surviving pirates.
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[User Picture]From: jalenstrix
2007-01-16 02:49 pm (UTC)
How interesting! - I rather liked the 2003 remake. Is there anything in particular that you found awful, or were you just not impressed with the movie as a whole?
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From: moiraangela
2007-01-16 03:15 pm (UTC)
I didn't like the fact that they ramped up the whole Romance thing with Wendy and Peter.
The best bits of the book were twisted beyond recognition. The sense of adventure was off, the confrentation was pony, Wendy was just about the only thing they got right. The actress playing wendy was fantastic, considering how young she was, Peter didn't impress me though.
I understand the difficulties with portraying Hook's obsession with 'good form', and Peter's warped sense of reality, but they could have done the last 15 mins darker, and more true to the novel, and maybe won my respect back.
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[User Picture]From: broadwaypoetez
2007-01-16 07:55 pm (UTC)
Been a while since I saw it so I may be off on a few points...

I thought Jason Isaacs was a pretty good Hook. (Better than the Disney version I grew up with.) Dark and I think the narrator said that the poison was derived from the red of his eye instead of just being the typical deadly plant potion.

I was a little disappointed at the removal of the Indian tribe, but I can see why it was done.

I would love to see a Peter Pan film giving Tiger Lily move camera time. And not just, "Oh dear, Peter has to save me." I want the battle and Tiger Lily to go Xena/Eowyn battlenuts before she dies.

Hook's suicide was dark (definitely not Disney) I was surprised that it was even in the musical last time I saw it. He just hops off the ship and all the little kids cheer.
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From: moiraangela
2007-01-17 02:05 pm (UTC)
I agree. But American political correctness seems to get in the way of alot of otherwise good British stories. I would have thought that the success of movies like the Bond series, and even Master and Commander would have proven that American audiences can enjoy British adventure stories.

Though I found it amusing that they felt that Hook's suicide was somehow more acceptable than Peter booting him off the Boat. Again, totally missed the point about good form. Jas. Hook would never do that.
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[User Picture]From: broadwaypoetez
2007-01-17 04:21 pm (UTC)
Man, PC... I get it. Blue Corn Comics is a good site about Native American stereotypes and it really rips apart Disney in general, I probably should've just gone on the site for the Tiger Lily quote. All in all, they approved of removing Tiger Lily and the tribe, but with a good direction you can make Tiger Lily a strong female warrior.

In my senior paper (last year of highschool, I'm now in my freshman year of college... er the first year, I don't know what you'd call it) I wrote about Tiger Lily and her tribe's portrayal in the book, musical, Disney movie, and 2003 film. In my essay I came to the conclusion that the 2003 film's cut of the Tribe and Tiger Lily's role was just as bad as the Disney version. The Indians are pointless in the Hogan film and only exist for the older fans, but could've been easily removed (just have Peter rescue John and Michael. Indians? We don't need no stinkin' badge--Indians!). I said that the Jerome Robbin's musical was closest to the book concerning Tiger Lily and they expanded and strengthened the tribe by having them fight the pirates onboard the ship in the final battle. Musical!Tiger Lily is just as badass as Barrie!Tiger Lily.

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From: moiraangela
2007-01-18 07:56 am (UTC)
I don't know - if you take out the Indians or make them PC, then the next thing you have to do is fix Wendy and make her more feminist - and then you start having to think about whether Peter Pan is an appropriate role model - and then the book starts coming apart at the seams. I think the best way to go is just to present the book exactly as it originally was written, and try to put a good directorial spin on the whole thing. Make it clear that the Indians aren't supposed to be actual native americans, but rather a turn of the century British child's conception of Indians. And so forth.
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